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Ladybug

Jun 3, 08 - 2:02 PM

Lolita's Capture

I posted this before but the board is no longer here but here it is again...

Lolita was just two years old when the captures began taking her family members. In early 1966 a Southern Resident female was one day harpooned from a helicopter while swimming with her small calf. The mom and calf were intended to be dragged in to join a teenaged male named Namu. Namu had been caught in Canadian waters in 1965, and was the first orca to be put on display and to develop a relationship with a human. The adult female, dying of her wounds, soon opened her blowhole and drowned herself. The calf was taken as a companion for Namu, but she was traumatized by the capture and her mother's violent death, and didn't get along with the orca or his captor. So the little orphan orca was shipped to Sea World in San Diego after a few months to become the original Shamu. That calf died six years later, but by then many more young orcas had been caught and delivered to Sea World, where they were also named Shamu, and the public was never told that each one was a replacement for a previous Shamu that had died in its early years.

Just over a year later the first major capture took place. A large pod was herded into a cove with speed boats and bombs like M-80s, and surrounded with nets. Five young ones were taken away that time, and three drowned during the capture operation. Just one more year later another family was trapped. This time two were removed. One of those, a three year old male, was sent to the Miami Seaquarium. The bombs and nets and ropes and yelling men became a recurring trauma and a tragedy that the whales had come to expect. Time after time family members were forced into slings and onto flatbed trucks, and were driven away.

Lolita (first called Tokitae) was captured on August 8, 1970 at Penn Cove, Whidbey Island in Washington State. She was one of seven young whales sold to marine parks around the world from this roundup of over 80 killer whales conducted by Ted Griffin and Don Goldsberry, partners in a venture going by the name Seattle Aquarium (now defunct).

Five whales, including four baby whales, drowned during this capture. The four drowned calves had their bellies slit, were filled with rocks, and weighted with chains and anchors to keep their deaths from coming to the attention of the public. Three of the carcasses washed up on the shore of Whidbey Island on November 18, 1970. Six years later, Sea World settled in court, agreeing to never again capture orcas in Washington State, to avoid publicly taking the blame.

Lolita was the "lucky" young whale taken in this ill-fated capture. She was about 14 feet long and about 6 years old at capture. She was sent to the Miami Seaquarium in Florida, where she arrived September 24, 1970 to be a playmate for the young male orca named Hugo who had been captured in Puget Sound in 1968. Hugo was from Lolita's community, the Southern Resident community, but no-one knew that at the time. For the first several weeks Hugo was kept in the present manatee tank, a few hundred yards away from Lolita, still known as Tokitae, because the park managers assumed they would fight. They called constantly to each other across the park grounds. The park owner's wife thought the young male was calling to his "Lolita," hence her name was changed. Hugo banged his head against the walls of his tank on many occasions, once slicing the tip of his rostrum off when he broke the thick glass of the viewing window. Veterinarian Jesse White sewed Hugo's severed rostrum back on.

Hugo was often aggressive or withdrawn, and finally died in 1980 of a brain aneurism from ramming the walls. He was just 13. The six other young whales exported from Lolita's capture went to parks in Texas, Australia, Japan, France, and the United Kingdom. All died within a few years.

The last capture of Southern Residents took place in 1973. The whales tried and often succeeded in escaping the capture teams. They learned to recognize the engine sounds of the capture boats from miles away, causing the captors to continually change boats and boat engines. Decoy whales sometimes distracted the captors into "wild whale" chases while mothers with young offspring safely detoured away from the capture boats. But the captors increased the terror tactics, deploying more and faster boats and tossing bombs as fast as they could light them with an acetylene torch. The captures continued for eight more years.

In 1970 Lolita was 6 or 7 years old. By then at least 16 of her extended family, the Southern Resident community had been hauled away and many others killed during captures. On August 8, the entire clan was headed north past Admiralty Inlet. They were travelling to a gathering that would have taken place near Salmon Bank, just south of San Juan Island, but someone on a spotter plane saw them. Soon fast catcher boats, led by Don Goldsberry and Ted Griffin, were upon the whales. Engines raced in circles, bombs exploded. The orcas were herded northeast, around the southern tip of Whidbey Island. Orcas can swim over 30 miles per hour, but the boats were faster.

The intended destination was Holmes Harbor, but the whales split into two groups, causing confusion among the captors and slowing them down. Seeing several young whales among the closest group, the men chose to concentrate on them. They managed to get ahead of the panicked orcas in time to force them into Penn Cove, then drove them into the farthest reaches of the cove, within sight of the Capt. Whidbey Inn. Soon seiners arrived to string long nets around the whales, then a floating pen was set up inside the seine net for the final separation of babies and juveniles from their mothers.

After a few hours the other group of whales that had escaped the initial capture came into Penn Cove. When the captors saw them, they quickly sent the seiners out to set another net around them. By now there were almost a hundred whales captured, including at least 12 between the ages of two and seven, the perfect ages for shipping and training. The captors set about pushing the adults, first the adult males and then the mothers of young ones, out beyond the outside nets.

By all accounts the whales were extremely agitated, both inside and outside the nets. They were breaching high out of the water and slapping their flukes and flippers, creating a background staccato of gunshot-like explosions. They repeatedly spyhopped as high as possible to see what was going on. Piercingly loud, screaming vocalizations were heard incessantly both above and below water.

Soon after the nets were drawn shut four babies less than two years old charged into the net to rejoin their mothers. They got caught in loose folds created when the net dropped at low tides. For a time they were in bodily contact with their mothers and other family members through the net, but as they twisted and convulsed to get free, the net wrapped tightly around them and they drowned, one by one. One of the mothers tried to force her way into the net, only to get tangled and drown. The female's death was discovered by reporters when she drowned, but the carcasses of the babies were hidden from the public. They were weighted with rocks and wrapped in anchor chains, then taken out to sea at night for secret disposal.

Meanwhile, calls were made to aquariums around the world to announce that there were whales for sale. Dr. Jesse White, veterinarian for the Miami Seaquarium, came to Washington to select one to become a female companion for Hugo, the three year old male captured a year earlier and sold to the Seaquarium. He admired a particular little female and soon chose her for the Seaquarium. Dr. White visited a curio shop while in Seattle and saw the name Tokitae on a carving, a name he bestowed on the little whale who seemed "so courageous, and yet so gentle." In Miami she became a show business personality, however, so she needed a name that said Miami, not Seattle. Her stage name became Lolita.

Of the six other young whales, two were shipped to marine parks in Japan, and one each went to parks in Texas, the United Kingdom, France and Australia. They were all very young calves, but, except for Lolita, they survived an average of less than five years.

In mid-November a trawler dragged the bodies of the drowned infants into its net. The captain of the fishing boat deposited the dead baby whales on a beach in front of a Seattle newspaper reporter, and the story was immediately told to the world. Six years later this discovery played a major role in a court decision that banned Sea World from ever capturing another killer whale in Washington State.

When Lolita arrived in Miami, she was reunited with Hugo, the young male that had been captured at Carr Inlet a year earlier. Hugo and Lolita were probably closely related, though no one knew that at the time. For almost ten years they shared their tiny, clattering tank. Then in March of 1980, just about the time Hugo's adolescent hormones began to kick in at the age of about 13, he died. The report said it was a brain aneurysm. Lolita, so courageous yet so gentle, continued to perform her shows flawlessly.

In 1987, the Society of Marine Mammalogists held its bi-annual conference in Miami. Ken Balcomb knew that Lolita was from the Southern Community, because he had been studying just that population for over ten years. In 1987 Lolita was already the only survivor of the approximately 58 orcas that had been taken from Puget Sound.

Balcomb approached the Seaquarium with a novel proposal. Why not play some tapes of Lolita's pod to her, just to see, and record, what might happen? Some of the trainers thought it might be a neat idea, but the management, possibly sensing that too much sympathy for the whale would result from publicity surrounding the experiment, refused to allow it. Balcomb then proposed leasing Lolita temporarily to conduct the experiment. Nope.

In 1992 Balcomb proposed that the experiment be incorporated into the show as an "exciting new acoustic program." Hurricane Andrew had just blasted through the Seaquarium, electrocuting six sea lions in another tank, so Balcomb also offered to buy her, just in case the park had been put out of business.

No deal.

Meanwhile, Lolita continues performing her shows by day, and bobbing listlessly between shows and all night long. Whales and dolphins don't sleep, because they have to remain conscious to control their breathing.

Serpie

Jun 5th, 2008 - 10:00 AM

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Interesting find. Thanks for sharing.

Russ Rector

Jun 5th, 2008 - 10:16 AM

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LOLITA IS A PRISON INMATE THAT WILL DIE IN THAT PRISON. PURE AND SIMPLE!!!$$$$!!$$$$$

ProudOrcaWarrior

Jul 15th, 2008 - 9:46 AM

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It makes no sense to me! A million people in favor of releasing Lolita against ONE greedy fat cat of a man. It's the one man that's winning so far. A million reasons to free her- happier life, tiny tank, conservation recognition, etc.- versus the simple fact that she makes money. Agh! I HATE MR.HERTZ! I can't believe that millions of selfish people go to the SeaPrison every year! I was researching it on an online travel guide, and some people gave it five stars, said it was better than SeaWorld, and actually believed that Lolita and the dolphins were happy. Happy?!? The nerve on those people! I can't believe that the government allows that s#*thole to stay open, even with the hundreds of safety violations. It seems as if the problem is money. Russ, and anyone who will listen, money must be raised to set her free. More money than Lolita makes in a year! If money is the only thing appealing to Mr.Hertz, it's money that's the only obstacle. Free Lolita before it's too late!

Ladybug

Jul 30th, 2008 - 3:15 PM

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I don't think Lolita is ever going to be freed but I hope others read about her horrible capture and boycott marine parks from this day on.

People - if you buy a ticket to get into a marine park or zoo, you are advocating the imprisonment of beautiful animals.

PLEASE DON'T GO THERE!

Go see a movie instead ;-)

ProudOrcaWarrior

Jul 31st, 2008 - 9:40 AM

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I don't think zoos are that much of a problem. They are a lot nicer than they used to be, and a zoo breeding program DID bring back the california condor. Besides, I'd rather see people go to the Metrozoo than the Seaquarium. Marine parks, especially the Seaquarium, are a definate problem.

Bob

Aug 1st, 2008 - 3:26 PM

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So the work being done at Seaquarium with manatees has no value in your eyes? Or is it just that you want to believe that everything done at aquariums and oceanariums in general and Seaquarium specifically is evil and wrong.

Pick your fanny up and go to Miami and see the place for yourself before you judge. I know you will find it to be much nicer than what has been described here.

ProudOrcaWarrior

Aug 1st, 2008 - 3:42 PM

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Did you read what I posted above, Bob? I have no problem with zoos and aquariums, because they're concerned about educationa and conservation. Even Seaworld. I'm sure the Miami Seaquarium is too, but their manatees are so dirty, and keep in mind that these animals are never going to see the wild again, so you might want to provide them with better living quarters. And I'm never going to go to the seaquarium because that would mean giving them money, and giving them money is supporting Lolita's confinement.

Bob

Aug 1st, 2008 - 4:17 PM

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I did read "Marine parks, especially the Seaquarium, are a definate problem."

That doesn't sound exactly open-minded to me. And there are only a couple of permanant manatees that cannot be released because of their condition and injuries. The rest are released asap...along with sea turtles that come in paralized because of some red tide like neurotoxin. It can take 3 months to get those turtles eating on their own, let alone being ready to be released.

ProudOrcaWarrior

Aug 1st, 2008 - 6:47 PM

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Never mind what I said about marine parks. I appreciate their contribution to conservation, but that doesn't justify Lolita's condition. Truth be told, I didn't like the fact that SeaWorld was keeping orcas in captivity, but after I did a little research on Lolita, I found it hard to hate them, because at least they keep them in larger tanks and they have proper company. Lolita's only friend is an inflatable toy.

Bob

Aug 1st, 2008 - 7:32 PM

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"Lolita's only friend is an inflatable toy." What...according to some cute picture you saw on an activist website? Toki has lived with lags since 1973 and has not been "alone" at Seaquarium since she and Hugo first shared that pool.

And before you **** Seaquarium and exhonorate any other park, divide those huge pools by the number of orcas and you will see that she has a comparable amount of space if you consider gallons per orca.

She has lived there for 38 years and thrived. Don't sit there and say she is still alive because she is "strong" or "tough" or whatever words you want to use to give her all of the credit for her survival. Those trainers work with her every day and are also her companions and support system. They deserve a lot of the credit for her current good health.

Russ Rector

Aug 1st, 2008 - 8:03 PM

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AGAIN YOURE A MORON BOB WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO..I SUGGEST YOU ANSWER. AND SHE DIDNT THRIVE SHE JUST SURVIVRD IN SPITE OF MSQ!

Bob

Aug 1st, 2008 - 8:15 PM

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And your hands-on experience with ANY kiler whale is? Oh, that's right...you are the one that thinks "black root disease" is killing Toki even though no one else has ever heard of "black root disease."

Russ Rector

Aug 1st, 2008 - 8:50 PM

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AND YOUR EXPERIENCE IS WHAT?????

Bob

Aug 1st, 2008 - 9:24 PM

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I never claimed to be the expert...you did. I just point out your obvious deficiencies. It shouldn't be this easy if you really knew what you were talking about.

Russ Rector

Aug 1st, 2008 - 9:27 PM

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IF YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE HOW WOULD YOU KNOW..AGAIN YOURE A MORON FACE IT..

Bob

Aug 1st, 2008 - 9:41 PM

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Again...your hands-on experience with a killer whale, any killer whale is?

Last time you worked with a dolphin? Was it in the last 10 years? 15? 20?

Do you have a fish tank at home?

ProudOrcaWarrior

Aug 2nd, 2008 - 6:38 AM

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Bob, I'm not denying that Lolita has company. But unbiased sources tell me that her company insludes dolphins. Lolitais an orca. Orcas are social animals that live in pods. Any grade school science text book will tell you that. Lolita needs ORCA company, not dolphin company. There's a difference, because Lolita is a very intelligent creature, and she knows the difference between a dolphin and an orca.

Russ Rector

Aug 2nd, 2008 - 7:15 AM

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BOB DOESNT....MORON

StephD

Aug 2nd, 2008 - 4:57 PM

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Just to clarify for Bob, the lags are not always in the same pool as Lolita. They have been moved on occassion to the smaller tanks for confinement. Lolita does not ALWAYS interatc with them either, when the new baby (lok'ei) was moved into the tank, Lolita was kind of segregated!!!

Russ Rector

Aug 2nd, 2008 - 7:05 PM

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http://www.local10.com/sponsors/17034316/detail.html

Anon

Aug 2nd, 2008 - 7:23 PM

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Loke and Ohana were separated when moved back in with Toki and Li'i for safety purposes.
You don't just toss animals in together without seeing how they will react first.

It wasn't long at all before they were both in with the other two.

Russ Rector

Aug 3rd, 2008 - 6:57 PM

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http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=5ebe3a61-5399-4b33-a82a-10ecfeee50c5

Ladybug

Aug 5th, 2008 - 8:28 PM

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Yup, zoos are much better than they used to be and I'm all for helping an endangered species but just to catch a wild animal and lock it up ONLY to be a specatacle is what I'm against. You know, like most marine parks?

Some zoos have come a long way, others haven't but I just don't like them much at all, not including rehabilitaion facilities of course.

Bob, methinks you need to take a chill pill, a few shots of whiskey and calm the f*ck down.

StephD

Aug 6th, 2008 - 5:41 AM

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Anon, just to let you know I wasn't pointing out the segregation as to being a bad thing, simply pointing it out!!!! I'm sure most of us understand as to why it had to happen, but, I do want to point out that there is times when Toki is indeed alone!!!!

ProudOrcaWarrior

Aug 7th, 2008 - 9:14 PM

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Bob, your name isn't Arthur Hertz by any chance, is it?

Anon

Aug 8th, 2008 - 4:49 PM

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Yes steph, there are times when she is alone.
But those moments are very few and far between.

Li'i was with her the entire time Loke and Ohana were separated.

	The Rectory Lolita IS Dying, let's talk about it. Russ Rector
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Ladybug Jun 3, 08 - 2:02 PM	Lolita's Capture I posted this before but the board is no longer here but here it is again... Lolita was just two years old when the captures began taking her family members. In early 1966 a Southern Resident female was one day harpooned from a helicopter while swimming with her small calf. The mom and calf were intended to be dragged in to join a teenaged male named Namu. Namu had been caught in Canadian waters in 1965, and was the first orca to be put on display and to develop a relationship with a human. The adult female, dying of her wounds, soon opened her blowhole and drowned herself. The calf was taken as a companion for Namu, but she was traumatized by the capture and her mother's violent death, and didn't get along with the orca or his captor. So the little orphan orca was shipped to Sea World in San Diego after a few months to become the original Shamu. That calf died six years later, but by then many more young orcas had been caught and delivered to Sea World, where they were also named Shamu, and the public was never told that each one was a replacement for a previous Shamu that had died in its early years. Just over a year later the first major capture took place. A large pod was herded into a cove with speed boats and bombs like M-80s, and surrounded with nets. Five young ones were taken away that time, and three drowned during the capture operation. Just one more year later another family was trapped. This time two were removed. One of those, a three year old male, was sent to the Miami Seaquarium. The bombs and nets and ropes and yelling men became a recurring trauma and a tragedy that the whales had come to expect. Time after time family members were forced into slings and onto flatbed trucks, and were driven away. Lolita (first called Tokitae) was captured on August 8, 1970 at Penn Cove, Whidbey Island in Washington State. She was one of seven young whales sold to marine parks around the world from this roundup of over 80 killer whales conducted by Ted Griffin and Don Goldsberry, partners in a venture going by the name Seattle Aquarium (now defunct). Five whales, including four baby whales, drowned during this capture. The four drowned calves had their bellies slit, were filled with rocks, and weighted with chains and anchors to keep their deaths from coming to the attention of the public. Three of the carcasses washed up on the shore of Whidbey Island on November 18, 1970. Six years later, Sea World settled in court, agreeing to never again capture orcas in Washington State, to avoid publicly taking the blame. Lolita was the "lucky" young whale taken in this ill-fated capture. She was about 14 feet long and about 6 years old at capture. She was sent to the Miami Seaquarium in Florida, where she arrived September 24, 1970 to be a playmate for the young male orca named Hugo who had been captured in Puget Sound in 1968. Hugo was from Lolita's community, the Southern Resident community, but no-one knew that at the time. For the first several weeks Hugo was kept in the present manatee tank, a few hundred yards away from Lolita, still known as Tokitae, because the park managers assumed they would fight. They called constantly to each other across the park grounds. The park owner's wife thought the young male was calling to his "Lolita," hence her name was changed. Hugo banged his head against the walls of his tank on many occasions, once slicing the tip of his rostrum off when he broke the thick glass of the viewing window. Veterinarian Jesse White sewed Hugo's severed rostrum back on. Hugo was often aggressive or withdrawn, and finally died in 1980 of a brain aneurism from ramming the walls. He was just 13. The six other young whales exported from Lolita's capture went to parks in Texas, Australia, Japan, France, and the United Kingdom. All died within a few years. The last capture of Southern Residents took place in 1973. The whales tried and often succeeded in escaping the capture teams. They learned to recognize the engine sounds of the capture boats from miles away, causing the captors to continually change boats and boat engines. Decoy whales sometimes distracted the captors into "wild whale" chases while mothers with young offspring safely detoured away from the capture boats. But the captors increased the terror tactics, deploying more and faster boats and tossing bombs as fast as they could light them with an acetylene torch. The captures continued for eight more years. In 1970 Lolita was 6 or 7 years old. By then at least 16 of her extended family, the Southern Resident community had been hauled away and many others killed during captures. On August 8, the entire clan was headed north past Admiralty Inlet. They were travelling to a gathering that would have taken place near Salmon Bank, just south of San Juan Island, but someone on a spotter plane saw them. Soon fast catcher boats, led by Don Goldsberry and Ted Griffin, were upon the whales. Engines raced in circles, bombs exploded. The orcas were herded northeast, around the southern tip of Whidbey Island. Orcas can swim over 30 miles per hour, but the boats were faster. The intended destination was Holmes Harbor, but the whales split into two groups, causing confusion among the captors and slowing them down. Seeing several young whales among the closest group, the men chose to concentrate on them. They managed to get ahead of the panicked orcas in time to force them into Penn Cove, then drove them into the farthest reaches of the cove, within sight of the Capt. Whidbey Inn. Soon seiners arrived to string long nets around the whales, then a floating pen was set up inside the seine net for the final separation of babies and juveniles from their mothers. After a few hours the other group of whales that had escaped the initial capture came into Penn Cove. When the captors saw them, they quickly sent the seiners out to set another net around them. By now there were almost a hundred whales captured, including at least 12 between the ages of two and seven, the perfect ages for shipping and training. The captors set about pushing the adults, first the adult males and then the mothers of young ones, out beyond the outside nets. By all accounts the whales were extremely agitated, both inside and outside the nets. They were breaching high out of the water and slapping their flukes and flippers, creating a background staccato of gunshot-like explosions. They repeatedly spyhopped as high as possible to see what was going on. Piercingly loud, screaming vocalizations were heard incessantly both above and below water. Soon after the nets were drawn shut four babies less than two years old charged into the net to rejoin their mothers. They got caught in loose folds created when the net dropped at low tides. For a time they were in bodily contact with their mothers and other family members through the net, but as they twisted and convulsed to get free, the net wrapped tightly around them and they drowned, one by one. One of the mothers tried to force her way into the net, only to get tangled and drown. The female's death was discovered by reporters when she drowned, but the carcasses of the babies were hidden from the public. They were weighted with rocks and wrapped in anchor chains, then taken out to sea at night for secret disposal. Meanwhile, calls were made to aquariums around the world to announce that there were whales for sale. Dr. Jesse White, veterinarian for the Miami Seaquarium, came to Washington to select one to become a female companion for Hugo, the three year old male captured a year earlier and sold to the Seaquarium. He admired a particular little female and soon chose her for the Seaquarium. Dr. White visited a curio shop while in Seattle and saw the name Tokitae on a carving, a name he bestowed on the little whale who seemed "so courageous, and yet so gentle." In Miami she became a show business personality, however, so she needed a name that said Miami, not Seattle. Her stage name became Lolita. Of the six other young whales, two were shipped to marine parks in Japan, and one each went to parks in Texas, the United Kingdom, France and Australia. They were all very young calves, but, except for Lolita, they survived an average of less than five years. In mid-November a trawler dragged the bodies of the drowned infants into its net. The captain of the fishing boat deposited the dead baby whales on a beach in front of a Seattle newspaper reporter, and the story was immediately told to the world. Six years later this discovery played a major role in a court decision that banned Sea World from ever capturing another killer whale in Washington State. When Lolita arrived in Miami, she was reunited with Hugo, the young male that had been captured at Carr Inlet a year earlier. Hugo and Lolita were probably closely related, though no one knew that at the time. For almost ten years they shared their tiny, clattering tank. Then in March of 1980, just about the time Hugo's adolescent hormones began to kick in at the age of about 13, he died. The report said it was a brain aneurysm. Lolita, so courageous yet so gentle, continued to perform her shows flawlessly. In 1987, the Society of Marine Mammalogists held its bi-annual conference in Miami. Ken Balcomb knew that Lolita was from the Southern Community, because he had been studying just that population for over ten years. In 1987 Lolita was already the only survivor of the approximately 58 orcas that had been taken from Puget Sound. Balcomb approached the Seaquarium with a novel proposal. Why not play some tapes of Lolita's pod to her, just to see, and record, what might happen? Some of the trainers thought it might be a neat idea, but the management, possibly sensing that too much sympathy for the whale would result from publicity surrounding the experiment, refused to allow it. Balcomb then proposed leasing Lolita temporarily to conduct the experiment. Nope. In 1992 Balcomb proposed that the experiment be incorporated into the show as an "exciting new acoustic program." Hurricane Andrew had just blasted through the Seaquarium, electrocuting six sea lions in another tank, so Balcomb also offered to buy her, just in case the park had been put out of business. No deal. Meanwhile, Lolita continues performing her shows by day, and bobbing listlessly between shows and all night long. Whales and dolphins don't sleep, because they have to remain conscious to control their breathing.
Serpie Jun 5th, 2008 - 10:00 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture Interesting find. Thanks for sharing.
Russ Rector Jun 5th, 2008 - 10:16 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture LOLITA IS A PRISON INMATE THAT WILL DIE IN THAT PRISON. PURE AND SIMPLE!!!$$$$!!$$$$$ Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
ProudOrcaWarrior Jul 15th, 2008 - 9:46 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture It makes no sense to me! A million people in favor of releasing Lolita against ONE greedy fat cat of a man. It's the one man that's winning so far. A million reasons to free her- happier life, tiny tank, conservation recognition, etc.- versus the simple fact that she makes money. Agh! I HATE MR.HERTZ! I can't believe that millions of selfish people go to the SeaPrison every year! I was researching it on an online travel guide, and some people gave it five stars, said it was better than SeaWorld, and actually believed that Lolita and the dolphins were happy. Happy?!? The nerve on those people! I can't believe that the government allows that s#thole to stay open, even with the hundreds of safety violations. It seems as if the problem is money. Russ, and anyone who will listen, money must be raised to set her free. More money than Lolita makes in a year! If money is the only thing appealing to Mr.Hertz, it's money that's the only obstacle. Free Lolita before it's too late! Email:* vivaearthgirl@hotmail.com
Ladybug Jul 30th, 2008 - 3:15 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture I don't think Lolita is ever going to be freed but I hope others read about her horrible capture and boycott marine parks from this day on. People - if you buy a ticket to get into a marine park or zoo, you are advocating the imprisonment of beautiful animals. PLEASE DON'T GO THERE! Go see a movie instead ;-)
ProudOrcaWarrior Jul 31st, 2008 - 9:40 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture I don't think zoos are that much of a problem. They are a lot nicer than they used to be, and a zoo breeding program DID bring back the california condor. Besides, I'd rather see people go to the Metrozoo than the Seaquarium. Marine parks, especially the Seaquarium, are a definate problem.
Bob Aug 1st, 2008 - 3:26 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture So the work being done at Seaquarium with manatees has no value in your eyes? Or is it just that you want to believe that everything done at aquariums and oceanariums in general and Seaquarium specifically is evil and wrong. Pick your fanny up and go to Miami and see the place for yourself before you judge. I know you will find it to be much nicer than what has been described here.
ProudOrcaWarrior Aug 1st, 2008 - 3:42 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Did you read what I posted above, Bob? I have no problem with zoos and aquariums, because they're concerned about educationa and conservation. Even Seaworld. I'm sure the Miami Seaquarium is too, but their manatees are so dirty, and keep in mind that these animals are never going to see the wild again, so you might want to provide them with better living quarters. And I'm never going to go to the seaquarium because that would mean giving them money, and giving them money is supporting Lolita's confinement.
Bob Aug 1st, 2008 - 4:17 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture I did read "Marine parks, especially the Seaquarium, are a definate problem." That doesn't sound exactly open-minded to me. And there are only a couple of permanant manatees that cannot be released because of their condition and injuries. The rest are released asap...along with sea turtles that come in paralized because of some red tide like neurotoxin. It can take 3 months to get those turtles eating on their own, let alone being ready to be released.
ProudOrcaWarrior Aug 1st, 2008 - 6:47 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Never mind what I said about marine parks. I appreciate their contribution to conservation, but that doesn't justify Lolita's condition. Truth be told, I didn't like the fact that SeaWorld was keeping orcas in captivity, but after I did a little research on Lolita, I found it hard to hate them, because at least they keep them in larger tanks and they have proper company. Lolita's only friend is an inflatable toy.
Bob Aug 1st, 2008 - 7:32 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture "Lolita's only friend is an inflatable toy." What...according to some cute picture you saw on an activist website? Toki has lived with lags since 1973 and has not been "alone" at Seaquarium since she and Hugo first shared that pool. And before you **** Seaquarium and exhonorate any other park, divide those huge pools by the number of orcas and you will see that she has a comparable amount of space if you consider gallons per orca. She has lived there for 38 years and thrived. Don't sit there and say she is still alive because she is "strong" or "tough" or whatever words you want to use to give her all of the credit for her survival. Those trainers work with her every day and are also her companions and support system. They deserve a lot of the credit for her current good health.
Russ Rector Aug 1st, 2008 - 8:03 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture AGAIN YOURE A MORON BOB WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO..I SUGGEST YOU ANSWER. AND SHE DIDNT THRIVE SHE JUST SURVIVRD IN SPITE OF MSQ! Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
Bob Aug 1st, 2008 - 8:15 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture And your hands-on experience with ANY kiler whale is? Oh, that's right...you are the one that thinks "black root disease" is killing Toki even though no one else has ever heard of "black root disease."
Russ Rector Aug 1st, 2008 - 8:50 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture AND YOUR EXPERIENCE IS WHAT????? Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
Bob Aug 1st, 2008 - 9:24 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture I never claimed to be the expert...you did. I just point out your obvious deficiencies. It shouldn't be this easy if you really knew what you were talking about.
Russ Rector Aug 1st, 2008 - 9:27 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture IF YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE HOW WOULD YOU KNOW..AGAIN YOURE A MORON FACE IT.. Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
Bob Aug 1st, 2008 - 9:41 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Again...your hands-on experience with a killer whale, any killer whale is? Last time you worked with a dolphin? Was it in the last 10 years? 15? 20? Do you have a fish tank at home?
ProudOrcaWarrior Aug 2nd, 2008 - 6:38 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture Bob, I'm not denying that Lolita has company. But unbiased sources tell me that her company insludes dolphins. Lolitais an orca. Orcas are social animals that live in pods. Any grade school science text book will tell you that. Lolita needs ORCA company, not dolphin company. There's a difference, because Lolita is a very intelligent creature, and she knows the difference between a dolphin and an orca.
Russ Rector Aug 2nd, 2008 - 7:15 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture BOB DOESNT....MORON Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
StephD Aug 2nd, 2008 - 4:57 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Just to clarify for Bob, the lags are not always in the same pool as Lolita. They have been moved on occassion to the smaller tanks for confinement. Lolita does not ALWAYS interatc with them either, when the new baby (lok'ei) was moved into the tank, Lolita was kind of segregated!!! Email: stephdoiron@rogers.com
Russ Rector Aug 2nd, 2008 - 7:05 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture http://www.local10.com/sponsors/17034316/detail.html Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
Anon Aug 2nd, 2008 - 7:23 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Loke and Ohana were separated when moved back in with Toki and Li'i for safety purposes. You don't just toss animals in together without seeing how they will react first. It wasn't long at all before they were both in with the other two.
Russ Rector Aug 3rd, 2008 - 6:57 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=5ebe3a61-5399-4b33-a82a-10ecfeee50c5 Email: captivitykills@comcast.net
Ladybug Aug 5th, 2008 - 8:28 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Yup, zoos are much better than they used to be and I'm all for helping an endangered species but just to catch a wild animal and lock it up ONLY to be a specatacle is what I'm against. You know, like most marine parks? Some zoos have come a long way, others haven't but I just don't like them much at all, not including rehabilitaion facilities of course. Bob, methinks you need to take a chill pill, a few shots of whiskey and calm the f*ck down.
StephD Aug 6th, 2008 - 5:41 AM	Re: Lolita's Capture Anon, just to let you know I wasn't pointing out the segregation as to being a bad thing, simply pointing it out!!!! I'm sure most of us understand as to why it had to happen, but, I do want to point out that there is times when Toki is indeed alone!!!! Email: stephdoiron@rogers.com
ProudOrcaWarrior Aug 7th, 2008 - 9:14 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Bob, your name isn't Arthur Hertz by any chance, is it? Email: deleted MSN: deleted Website: http://deleted
Anon Aug 8th, 2008 - 4:49 PM	Re: Lolita's Capture Yes steph, there are times when she is alone. But those moments are very few and far between. Li'i was with her the entire time Loke and Ohana were separated.